This is in response to the detailed Comment posted by Chacko Luke (of Manchester), on 7 December 2011 22:36.
As the Administrator of this Group Blog, I would like to remind the visitors/readers that the trouble in Manchester started following the Unit election there. To be more precise, it happened when there was an allegation that 2 members of the Unit (Joyppan and Sunny) discussed the matter openly in the media. The UKKCA Moghuls decided that this sould not be permitted or tolerated and decided to initiate disciplinary action against the two individuals forgetting about all the relevant by-laws of the Constitution.
And now we all know what has come out of it.
You don’t need to be an Einstein (I mean the original one – the German Jewish Scientist) to understand that if a deadbody is left unattended to, vultures will come. That is why dead bodies are buried 6 feet below the grond, so that vultures stand no chance. In modern world, whenever there is a news of public interest, media will report it and UKKCA bosses from their experience should know that they cannot do a thing about the media. (Of course, they can curse them!).
UKKCA, unlike Catholic Church, is an organization on democratic lines. There should be avenues to raise the concerns of its members. Unless that is provided, yes, vultures will devour the dead body.
British Kna has been launched with the intention of providing such a facility. I repeat my offer that the day UKKCA provides a similar facility, British Kna will be closed down. Till then, they could make use of this platform to answer the questions and concerns of members. This is the forum where UKKCA bosses should answer the people. If they believe using British Kna is below their dignity, and want to imagine that they are Thirumenies of a different variety, who will never answer people’s questions, I appeal to the members of the community to pray for them.
Dear friends, the only way to keep the vultures away is to arrange a decent and proper burial.
Administrator, British Kna Grop Blog.
Pasted below is Chacko Luke's Comments for your ready reference:
From the paper reports we know that Wigan Unit is a new born child. But just like the grand daughter of Amitab Bechan, the Manja pathrams give so much importance and coverage. They should realise the fact that they did not seed, water or nurture the UKKCA but now they want to have more readers. For that they are using UKKCA. The ordinary Kna people know about it. So it is the right time to stop all these. The discussions should be conducted in the UKKCA and in the units.
Regarding the Wigan unit, why did the sub committee take such a long period for their study? After all it was not Maradu or Koothuparambu incidents. One member submitted the report and others did not even get the time to telephone the applicants. Then how did they come to such conclusions? In the last National council meeting one of the members requested to approve this unit as members in the family move from the Tharavadu when they get married. No one paid attention to it. Representatives from MKCA strongly opposed this idea. For what? Finally it ended up like this? In front of others Knanites lost its image. At least the sub committee could arrange a meeting of all the applicants within the 45 days. Everyone in Manchester like me knows that in the past ten years all the programmes where held in Wythenshawe which is not convenient for people even in Manchester area then why to blame the Wigan Kna members. If they ask for a separate unit grand them and let them have their own small house and live happily instead of fighting each other just like in MKCA.
The sub committee member also should not have given news to the papers and I doubt how did the paper came to know that Fr. Saji send the report 13 minutes past 12. What is the typing speed of Fr. Saji ? Because he had 45 days to type.
Now the question is did Fr. Saji gave the information or did anybody knows his password and use his e mail ID. Or the other possibility is from the General Secretary or the President of UKKCA. If any of them gave the reports to the papers what is the difference between an ordinary member like me and a leader. Chakkikkotha Chankaran. Now it is we the ordinary Kna members turn to say Ente pizha Ente Pizha Ente Valiya pizha for having such leaders on our shoulders.
My personal opinion is Spiritual advisor should not interfere in the administrative side of UKKCA let the President and others do it. Why do you father get all these allegations?. Better for you, your health and for your spirit to stay away from this unnecessary troubles.
Catholic Church is against IVF treatment but if any one is born by IVF treatment they are given baptism. In the same way more than 20 units under UKKCA do not satisfy the conditions required for a unit still they were approved by UKKCA. So there is no doubt one day Wigan unit also will be baptised by the National council
Yes Chacko, you are absoulutely right. VISWASAM ATHALLE ELLAM even for an IVF treatment.
ReplyDeleteSt. Paul says in Hebrews Chapter 11.1
"Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see"
very true
ReplyDeleteMKCA has decided to take disciplinary action against Joyppan and Sunny ....
ReplyDeleteWho will take action against the other three Sub - committee,especilay, who has given false information to the media about UKKCA decision.
All the above informations are very accurate!
THALAKKU PRANTHUPIDICHAL CHANGALAKKUIDAM.CHANGALAKKU PRANTHUPIDICHAL ENTHUCHEYUM
ReplyDeleteATMIDNIGHT JESUS USED TO PRAY TO HIS HEAVENL FATHER, IN MANCHESTER FATHER ADVISOUR IS BUSY ON COMPUTOR. ITHANU KALIYUKAM.INSTEAD OF USING THE COMPUTOR HE SHOULD HAVE PRAYED FOR HIMSELF AND FOR THE UNITY OF THE COMMUNITY. MAY THE GOOD GOD GIVE HIM WISDOM. AMEN
ReplyDeletePANCHAVADI PALAM IN MANCHESTER
ReplyDeletePanchavadi palam film was directed by K.G.George and story is as follows.
A henpecked politician wants his name attached to a new bridge, even if that means destroying another, perfectly serviceable bridge. This politician Dussasana Kuruppu (Bharath Gopi) is the president of the village. He along with his other members tries to demolish the bridge on advice of his fellow party member, his right hand and crooked mind Sikhandi Pillai (Nedumudi Venu). The opposition leader Ishak Tharakan (Thilakan) makes moves to thwart this and to capture the position of the village presidentship. As a compromise step, both groups agree to relocate the bridge to a distant location so that not only a new bridge, a new road also will be needed to reach the bridge.The two tenders, one for bridge and one for road is given to two local contractors, one belongs to the ruling party and the other one supported by opposition. Ultimately the bridge is built and opened to public on the same day of the marriage of Dussasana Kurup's daughter and the Bridge contractor. The marriage function is attended by many including the minister of state for public works department and the entire people who came for marriage walks through the bridge causing it to collapse killing the crippled Kathorayan (Sreenivasan). The film ends by showing the broken bridge in the background. (True extract from internet).
In Manchester also we had a similar story. The former president played wonderful game and destroyed the peace and harmony in MKCA finally it ended up in the suspension of members from the MKCA, disqualification of the President and dissolution of the executive committee. Later UKKCA interfered and the President was acceptable to the Executive committee and everybody was ready to forgive and forget.
Just like in the film Sreenivasan the crippled man died, the ordinary Knanites in Manchester joined in the signature campaign and ultimately leaders cheated MKCA members. Rejoining is good but why did the former president (henpecked Dussasana Kuruppu) who now preparing himself to be the leader of UKKCA played all these games behind the scene. Others were dancing according to his tune. It was only for power and not for any moral principles.
BEWARE THE NATIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, DUSSASANA KURUPPU WILL BE CONTESTING IN THE ELECTION. IF HE IS ELECTED UKKCA WILL BE THE NEXT PANCHAVADI PALAM.
Now it is the turn of the ordinary Knanites in MKCA to boycott this X mas programme.
Mr Thomas, I do not understand where you are trying to go with this. i think you are a very confused man. The people who wanted wigan unit got what they wanted and those that wish to remain with original MKCA unit remain there. So all is well and happy now it is people like you who instigate problems. If the information i got is correct then the members that came to the general body held by the president of mkca are the same members who are now members of the wigan unit. as of now mkca and wigan unit are seperate right so they each can have memebers to compete for the ukkca presidency....so let them compete healthy competitions are good.
ReplyDeleteDear Mathew,
ReplyDeleteFrom the very first sentence itself it is very clear who is confused? I did not mention anything about Wigan unit, but you finally ended up in Wigan. I am still a member of MKCA and my request is to leave Wigan alone. Are you haunted by the spirit of Wigan unit? If so better you go for a retreat in Birmingham or Attappadi.
Did you attend the meeting of the President? if not how did you come to such conclusions? If you are correct what is real strength of Wigan unit?. I learned from the media that as per the sub committee, they don’t have enough members. Then who is cheating the ordinary Kna members, you or the sub committee. ??
Healthy fighting is always good and should be encouraged but it should be open not like Chadiyan Chandu
Dear Mathew
ReplyDeleteI know who posted the above comment, I think
the language was borrowed from "your talented daughter"
DUSSASANA KURUPPU(BABY)HAS ALREADY DESTROYED THE PANCHAVADI PALAM(MKCA).NOW DUSSASANA KURUPPU(BABY) IS TRYING TO DEMOLISH THE PAMPANPALAM(UKKCA).IF HE DOESN'T TURN AWAY FROM THIS HE WILL TRAVEL ON A TROLY LIKE SREENIVASAN IN THE FILIM
ReplyDeleteToday's MKCA christmas event is the pulviliadiyanthram of it.After the quirbana and oppise eveybody can go back
ReplyDeleteപഞ്ചവടി പാലം സിനിമ നമുക്ക് മനസ്സിലാകും. എന്നാല് എം.കെ.സി.എ. യൂണിറ്റും സബ് കമ്മിറ്റിയും അയോഗ്യര് നടപടിയും വിഗാന് യൂണിറ്റും ....ഇപ്പോള് കാണുന്ന ഈ കമന്റുകളും ദുര് ഗ്രാഹ്യമായ ഒരവാര്ഡു പടം കാണുന്നതിനേക്കാള് ക്ലേശകരമാ ണെന്നു പറയാതെ വയ്യ!
ReplyDeleteMKCA's41 will be heled in MKCA's former president MrDUSSASANA KURUPPU's(BABY)house. All the MKCA members are welcome
ReplyDeleteAppol ennayirunnu Sanjayanam, ethu puzhayilanu ozhikkiyathu. Ellam pettannayirunno ? atho pazhaya asukhathinte thudaracha ayirunno?
ReplyDeleteSanjayanam kazhinju.Withenshaw puzhayil aanu ozhikkiyathu.Ellam pettannuayirunnu.Akale ninnu vanna marumakan kattililikayari.Pathrathil photoyum vannu.Makkal thammil avakashatharkkam thidangi.Kananponapooram kandariyam.
ReplyDeletelEIGH IL NINNU VANNA MARUMAKANTE VISAPPUM MARI WITHENSHAW ILE PENNUNGADE KADIYUM MARI
ReplyDeleteMANCHESTER KNANAYA ANUNGAL VAYUM POLICHIRUNNO
Dear Thomas,
ReplyDeleteIt does not take a person of high intelligence to understand the implications behind your comments. That is all I wish to say on this.
Thanks
Mathew
Dear Mathew
ReplyDeleteSo you agree with my previous comments, Have a nice day
പ്രിയ തോമസ് & മാത്യു,
ReplyDeleteനിങ്ങള് എന്താ വാണിയനും വാണിയത്തിയും കളിക്കുന്നോ? മാത്യുവിനു തോമസിനെ അറിയാം, തോമസിന് മാത്യുവിനെ അറിയാം – പക്ഷെ, ഞങ്ങള് പാവങ്ങള്ക്ക് നിങ്ങള് രണ്ടു പേരെയും അറിയില്ല. ആരാണ് നിങ്ങള്? മറ നീക്കി പുറത്തു വന്നാലും.
നമ്മള് ക്നനയക്കാര് എല്ലാം വേണ്ടപെട്ടവര് അല്ലെ, എന്തിനാണ് ഈ ഒളിച്ചുകളി?
Dear Thomas,
ReplyDeleteI did not state anywhere on my comment that I agree with you please stop being silly...
Dear Mathew:
ReplyDeleteWhen Thomas mentioned he knows who you are, I too could immediately recognize you. It was easy because your ignorance, arrogance and lack of respect for people who disagree with you have been legendary. Don’t forget the fact that you, with your power addition, have been in the limelight for too long.
In a public forum using phrases like “stop being silly,” etc. is considered rude.
And – as Thomas pointed out – you are flying high on borrowed wings. Check Wikipedia and read the story of Icarus. You could learn a few things from that story.
Mathew, your rudeness emanates from your insatiable hunger for power. Blaming people will not help you. You are spending your time and energy to convince the visitors of this Blog that you are a …………
All the best.
I shall call myself, “Thomas Mathew”